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Posted 19 September 2015 - 05:08 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=yO38YDRnDnU

Hows he got away with all that I don't know!! The FA should have a field day here and fill their boots!! Team and player!!http://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 07:07 PM

What a shame Mike Dean ruined the game... well so says Garth Crooks anyway... :blink:/>

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34302203

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 07:58 PM

Not one of Mike Dean's better games, but still nowhere near as bad as the media would like everyone to believe!

As a Chelsea fan, I can safely say Diego Costa is an idiot who could start an argument in an empty room. Depending on how much or how little Mike Dean and his assistants saw, should be getting a retrospective ban.

Soft sending off for Gabriel, but done himself no favours, firstly by getting involved in argument that didn't involve him in the first place and then the petulant kick out was beyond stupid. Cazorla can have no complaints, both "challenges" were nailed on cardable offences.

Could someone point me to the part in the laws of the game that says rugby tackles and wrestling holds are now acceptable, especially when "seeing the ball out", the challenge on Hazard by Gabriel was laughable. :unsure:/>

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 04:29 PM

Costa now charged....guilty as charged LOL!!

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:59 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 21 September 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

Costa now charged....guilty as charged LOL!!



Irrelevant now. The game is over. 9 vs 11 Mike Dean should be dismissed from EPL permanently. Only beneficiaries of this "post game" red will be Chelsea's next opponent or 3.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:06 PM

View PostIamtheLaw, on 21 September 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

Irrelevant now. The game is over. 9 vs 11 Mike Dean should be dismissed from EPL permanently. Only beneficiaries of this "post game" red will be Chelsea's next opponent or 3.


I don't think MD has done a lot wrong, if he's not seen something then hows it a mistake!! 25 Sky cameras saw it, most of it was off the ball!!! He got the bits he saw right, otherwise why would they charge him???

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:31 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 21 September 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

I don't think MD has done a lot wrong, if he's not seen something then hows it a mistake!! 25 Sky cameras saw it, most of it was off the ball!!! He got the bits he saw right, otherwise why would they charge him???

Just watch the clip on NBC sports here in the states. Mike dean mishandled the whole situation. How his AR could not see the head butt/chest butt by Costa is laughable, period. The incident started the whole altercation. He called both players to him and booked them initially. This was good. But he could have easily held them there longer and let the clock run out. That would have given them both an extra 15 or so to cool it in the locker room. When I saw who the 4th official was, who somehow saw the kick out in a group of players (which Mike Dean missed also) but missed the original head butt in open field, it all became clear.

This crew was simply too inexperienced for this type of match, and the communication between their team was either incomplete or dismissed by Mike Deans rather large ego.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:32 PM

We have a saying here in the states - Nothing ever good happens in extra time.

And to be honest, in a 0-0 game, where did +3 come from?

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 07:11 PM

You must be on the wum

That's the only explanation I can think of for those 'opinions'

First things first, if you'd bothered to watch the game before commenting on it you'd realise the incident happened in the 44th minute. Your comments about not adding on time are laughable!

The ball was in play at the time of costas actions so it's a sensible conclusion that the ref, the ARs and 4th are following the ball and therefore missed the incident, nothing wrong here.

To state the mike dean or and of his 'crew' are inexperienced is also laughable, not further comment on this is required.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 07:13 PM

View PostIamtheLaw, on 21 September 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

We have a saying here in the states - Nothing ever good happens in extra time.

And to be honest, in a 0-0 game, where did +3 come from?


Since when as the actual score of a game had any bearing on how much extra time is played...

Thats maybe the dumbest comment I've ever heard on here!! http://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

We have a saying here in the UK - Can't beat a bit of fun in extra timehttp://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 07:19 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 21 September 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Since when as the actual score of a game had any bearing on how much extra time is played...

Thats maybe the dumbest comment I've ever heard on here!! http://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

We have a saying here in the UK - Can't beat a bit of fun in extra timehttp://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif


I think you're right about the comment!

I ended up in court 3 years ago as a witness to an incident 4 mins into 5 added on at the end of a game. That was certainly a bit of fun!

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 07:39 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34317823

His English seems fine to me!!! http://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 10:32 PM

The best comment was ...

This crew was simply too inexperienced for this type of match

Mike Dean is the longest serving Premier League referee, having served 14 years. The two assistants have been around for a while, and the 4th official was none other than Michael Oliver. So I think this comment qualifies for the most ridiculous ever posted on this site ...!

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 05:28 AM

http://worldsoccerta...ster-city-game/

https://www.youtube....h?v=LLdMNZR6QDM

http://www.dailymail...n-referees.html

Should I keep going? This only took me 2 minutes to find.

The "crew" was too inexperienced. They obviously could not communicate via headset at all, hence Costa's open field non obstructed VC on the Arsenal defender.

Adding +3 minutes in the first half for what? Did I miss 6 subs? 3 minutes of time wasting? 3 minutes of Mike Dean talking to players? I simply asked why?

And in the photo, exactly what is the AR looking at?

http://www.dailymail...elny-clash.html

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 06:00 AM

Yes please keep on going! Citing the daily mail and fan produced videos as evidence is really not helping your case!

Mike Dean can clearly be seen 'celebrating' agueros goal to win man city the league as well, must make him a city fan...

If you're still unsure why 3 mins were added why don't you watch the game and find out for yourself?

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:51 PM

View PostElliot, on 21 September 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

Yes please keep on going! Citing the daily mail and fan produced videos as evidence is really not helping your case!

Mike Dean can clearly be seen 'celebrating' agueros goal to win man city the league as well, must make him a city fan...

If you're still unsure why 3 mins were added why don't you watch the game and find out for yourself?


Alas,

I have struck a nerve. My apologies. :rolleyes:/>/>/>

So I will restate my questions for discussion.

The crew obviously could not or did not communicate via headset at all, hence Costa's open field non obstructed VC on the Arsenal defender?

Adding +3 minutes in the first half for what? Did I miss 6 subs? 3 minutes of time wasting? 3 minutes of Mike Dean talking to players? I simply asked why? (again)

And in the photo, exactly what is the AR looking at? (The photo appears to be taken by the media with a telephoto, correct?)

http://www.dailymail...elny-clash.html

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 04:04 PM

Following a Football League Cup semi-final in January 2015, Oliver received criticism from Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers for not punishing Chelsea forward Diego Costa for apparent stamps on Liverpool's Emre Can and Martin Škrtel.[12] Costa was banned retrospectively for three matches for the first incident, with Oliver reviewing video evidence for the FA.

Mr. Oliver has apparently sharpened his vision for "stamps". :blink:/>

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 04:29 PM

In what I think is a very surprising move, Gabriel has had his red card rescinded on appeal.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 05:03 PM

You're point about 3 mins added time is irrelevant baring in mind the incident occurred in the 44th minute, but for arguments sake here's why 3 mins was appropriate:

1. Injury to coqolin (sp). Could have accounted for 2 mins on it's own.
2. The incident occurred in the 44th minute so adding time on for this itself is acceptable.

The picture you refer to does look like the AR is liking directly at Costa knocking Koscielny (sp) to the ground. The incident of violent conduct (2 pushes to the face) occurs slightly before this however so it's not a given that the AR saw it.

Perhaps the crew did not communicate as they didn't think they had anything to communicate about? MD may well have received advice from any of the officials to book Costa and / or Gabriel, we have no idea.

Your comment about oliver missing the stamp on Costa, I really don't see how this is relavent either?

If any of the officials had seen Costa's pushes to the face then do you not think they would have ensured he would be sent off? I certainly do.

You're having a go at 4 top officials for missing an incident of off the ball violent conduct, something which happens fairly regularly.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 05:30 PM

View PostIamtheLaw, on 22 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

Following a Football League Cup semi-final in January 2015, Oliver received criticism from Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers for not punishing Chelsea forward Diego Costa for apparent stamps on Liverpool's Emre Can and Martin Škrtel.[12] Costa was banned retrospectively for three matches for the first incident, with Oliver reviewing video evidence for the FA.

Mr. Oliver has apparently sharpened his vision for "stamps". http://refereeforum.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 05:50 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34329563

Gabriel red card rescinded.?????

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 05:51 PM

mike dean celebrated the success of playing an advantage which resulted in a goal, this was put to bed months ago,,

did anyone also notice after the clash in the penalty area and being cautioned diego costa was behind gabrial as he walked backwards and actually stopped on purpose so gabrial would walk into him,,,,cant excuse the kick out,,but had costa let him walk back without stopping him he wouldnt have been there for it to happen

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 06:45 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34331311

The FA banned him after reading it here first!!! Both teams next!!!

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:22 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 22 September 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34331311

The FA banned him after reading it here first!!! Both teams next!!!




Everybody has a bad game. This crew had a bad game. Inexperienced was harsh, I will admit. I apologize to the entire referee crew.

Man of the Match - Mike Dean!

Happy the higher ups saw it the way most of the soccer universe saw it.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:23 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 22 September 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34329563

Gabriel red card rescinded.?????


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:33 PM

[quote name='Elliot' date='22 September 2015 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1442941389' post='245049']
You're point about 3 mins added time is irrelevant baring in mind the incident occurred in the 44th minute, but for arguments sake here's why 3 mins was appropriate:

1. Injury to coqolin (sp). Could have accounted for 2 mins on it's own.

Thank you for that clarification.
2. The incident occurred in the 44th minute so adding time on for this itself is acceptable.
Agreed, but the heat was turned up, so why?

The picture you refer to does look like the AR is liking directly at Costa knocking Koscielny (sp) to the ground. The incident of violent conduct (2 pushes to the face) occurs slightly before this however so it's not a given that the AR saw it.

This incident alone warranted a sending.

Perhaps the crew did not communicate as they didn't think they had anything to communicate about? MD may well have received advice from any of the officials to book Costa and / or Gabriel, we have no idea.
Agreed. Would love to have a read of his match report.

Your comment about oliver missing the stamp on Costa, I really don't see how this is relavent either?


I said Mr. Oliver reported it to Mike Dean. He didn't "miss" it. It was very relevant. It changed the game by Gabriel being sent. It's nice the FA rescinded the card, but it's a mute point now. Gabriel will still get one game for his field conduct.
If any of the officials had seen Costa's pushes to the face then do you not think they would have ensured he would be sent off? I certainly do.
Agreed. Koscielny (sp) didn't react to it initially, so it went unnoticed.

You're having a go at 4 top officials for missing an incident of off the ball violent conduct, something which happens fairly regularly.
Then those 4 "top" officials shouldn't be "top". If VC is missed fairly regularly, then the EPL is destined to become this poor excuse for football known as the MLS here in the states! :(/>/>/>/>/>

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 12:29 PM

View PostSheffields Finest, on 22 September 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/34329563

Gabriel red card rescinded.?????

Yeah, but they will succeed with the other charge of further misconduct of failing to leave the FOP. 2 matches there.....
The FA always win :o/>

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 07:22 PM

40k and 30k fines for teams being knobs.... More bubbly for Sepps leaving party....

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